[Us] Сбирка и дискусия относно съдбата на ГС инит Лаб
Vladimir Vassilev
vloo at initlab.org
Wed Jul 25 18:51:09 EEST 2018
Да!
Vladimir Vassilev
root @ init Lab
+359 885 448475
http://initlab.org
2018-07-25 15:28 GMT+03:00 Венцислав Атанасов <user89 at gmail.com>:
> 19:30 в Кривото?
>
> On Wed, Jul 25, 2018 at 3:22 PM Vladimir Vassilev <vloo at initlab.org>
> wrote:
>
>> Ок, сбираме се на неформална среща тъз вечер, та да си говорим за Лаба :)
>> 7:30 остава началния час, пък който дойде по-рано, ще подгрява.
>>
>> Vladimir Vassilev
>> root @ init Lab
>> +359 885 448475
>> http://initlab.org
>>
>> 2018-07-25 10:57 GMT+03:00 Ivaylo Markov <ivo at schupen.net>:
>>
>>> Още един глас за ИББ.
>>>
>>> On 07/24/2018 04:14 PM, Vasil Kolev wrote:
>>>
>>> Аз съм повече за ИББ, щото там има ядене :)
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, 24 Jul 2018 14:53:57 +0300
>>> Mario Mishev <mario at ludost.net> <mario at ludost.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Аз съм ок и с двете, като предпочитам да е в Лаба.
>>>
>>> On 07/24/2018 11:15 AM, Vladimir Vassilev wrote:
>>>
>>> Очертава се да е утре срещата. Остава да решим дали на ИББ или в
>>> Лаба е по-добре. Мене ми е все тая, тъй че нека кажат останалите
>>> как се чувстват по въпроса. Дали е среща на УС или неформална
>>> дискусия - също не смятам, че има съществено значение в случая.
>>>
>>> Vladimir Vassilev
>>> root @ init Lab
>>> +359 885 448475http://initlab.org <http://initlab.org/> <http://initlab.org/>
>>>
>>> 2018-07-23 19:04 GMT+03:00 Венцислав Атанасов <user89 at gmail.com <mailto:user89 at gmail.com> <user89 at gmail.com>>:
>>>
>>> Записах се в Дудъла. Може ли Петко да уточни дали ще присъства,
>>> защото от коментарите и поведението му в IRC, разбирам че не е
>>> заинтересован.
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jul 23, 2018 at 6:01 PM Mario Mishev <mario at ludost.net
>>> <mailto:mario at ludost.net> <mario at ludost.net>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Добавих ги,
>>>
>>> Ако някой иска още нещо да сложа/променя - казвайте
>>>
>>>
>>> On 07/23/2018 05:50 PM, Mario Mishev wrote:
>>> > Да добавя 24-27.07 от 19:30?
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On 07/23/2018 05:42 PM, Vladimir Vassilev wrote:
>>> >> Ще ми е по-неудобно за вторник и сряда, ама ако не ви
>>> устройват
>>> >> четвъртък и петък, и на това бих се навил. Doodle update?
>>> >>
>>> >> Vladimir Vassilev
>>> >> root @ init Lab
>>> >> +359 885 448475
>>> >> http://initlab.org <http://initlab.org/> <http://initlab.org/>
>>> >>
>>> >> 2018-07-23 17:36 GMT+03:00 Vasil Kolev
>>> >> <vasil at ludost.net
>>> <mailto:vasil at ludost.net> <vasil at ludost.net>
>>> >> <mailto:vasil at ludost.net <vasil at ludost.net> <mailto:vasil at ludost.net> <vasil at ludost.net>>>:
>>> >>
>>> >> Аз нямам проблем да пропусна ИББ и да го направим в
>>> сряда от 19
>>> >> (вторник вечер имам една среща и вероятно няма да
>>> >> имам
>>> възможност).
>>> >> Останалите ОК ли сте със сряда (25.07)?
>>> >>
>>> >> On Mon, 23 Jul 2018 17:03:47 +0300
>>> >> Mario Mishev <mario at ludost.net
>>> <mailto:mario at ludost.net> <mario at ludost.net> <mailto:mario at ludost.net <mario at ludost.net>
>>> <mailto:mario at ludost.net> <mario at ludost.net>>> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> > Аз исках да е Съботно-Неделно за да не ни е
>>> притеснено че времето
>>> >> > няма да ни стигне, освен това да сме свежи, защото
>>> >> си представям че
>>> >> > след работа ще е по-трудно да се концентрираме,
>>> >> иначе
>>> нямам
>>> >> против,
>>> >> > ако е по-удобно на всички, да го направим и през
>>> седмицата.
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>> >> > On 07/23/2018 05:01 PM, Vladimir Vassilev wrote:
>>> >> > > Ок, благодаря, това изяснява малко контекста.
>>> Остава питането ми
>>> >> > > дали би ви било удобно да направим срещата за
>>> >> някой
>>> от работните
>>> >> > > дни. Впрочем на 26 и 27 юли съм отпуска, та
>>> вероятно ще съм край
>>> >> > > Лаба, когато не съм по нотариуси и други
>>> >> глупости,
>>> та тогава би
>>> >> > > било най-идеалното време за мен.
>>> >> > >
>>> >> > > Vladimir Vassilev
>>> >> > > root @ init Lab
>>> >> > > +359 885 448475
>>> >> > > http://initlab.org <http://initlab.org/> <http://initlab.org/>
>>> >> > >
>>> >> > > 2018-07-23 16:52 GMT+03:00 Венцислав Атанасов
>>> >> <user89 at gmail.com <mailto:user89 at gmail.com> <user89 at gmail.com>
>>> <mailto:user89 at gmail.com <user89 at gmail.com> <mailto:user89 at gmail.com> <user89 at gmail.com>>
>>> >> > > <mailto:user89 at gmail.com
>>> > <user89 at gmail.com>> <mailto:user89 at gmail.com> <user89 at gmail.com>
>>> <mailto:user89 at gmail.com <user89 at gmail.com> <mailto:user89 at gmail.com> <user89 at gmail.com>>>>:
>>> >> > >
>>> >> > > По-скоро че всички са заети (което е
>>> >> нормално
>>> де), отделя
>>> >> се в
>>> >> > > пъти по-малко време отколкото предишни
>>> >> години,
>>> пишат се
>>> >> някакви
>>> >> > > issues които стоят нерешени с години, а може
>>> >> да
>>> са въпрос
>>> >> на 2-3
>>> >> > > часа, най-много ден.
>>> >> > > Също че цялото място е в будна кома, няма
>>> достатъчно
>>> >> членове,
>>> >> > > няма коуъркъри, плащат се едни наеми и
>>> >> консумативи,
>>> вътрим се с
>>> >> > > данък от фактури, които не ни издават. Малко
>>> >> грубо
>>> звучи
>>> >> погледнато
>>> >> > > по този начин, но не мисля че съм далеко от
>>> >> реалността. > > Идеята е да мислим варианти това да
>>> >> се промени
>>> в дългосрочен
>>> >> > > план. Ако не можем - има ли смисъл да се борим
>>> >> с
>>> неизбежното,
>>> >> или е
>>> >> > > време да се откажем?
>>> >> > >
>>> >> > > On Mon, Jul 23, 2018 at 4:45 PM Mario Mishev
>>> >> <mario at ludost.net <mailto:mario at ludost.net> <mario at ludost.net>
>>> <mailto:mario at ludost.net <mario at ludost.net> <mailto:mario at ludost.net> <mario at ludost.net>>
>>> >> > > <mailto:mario at ludost.net <mario at ludost.net>
>>> <mailto:mario at ludost.net> <mario at ludost.net> <mailto:mario at ludost.net <mario at ludost.net>
>>> <mailto:mario at ludost.net> <mario at ludost.net>>>> wrote:
>>> >> > >
>>> >> > > В общи линии се започнаха разговори, че
>>> никой нищо не
>>> >> прави
>>> >> > > в последно
>>> >> > > време и Лаба се е превърнал в едно пусто
>>> >> място. > >
>>> >> > >
>>> >> > > On 07/23/2018 04:41 PM, Vladimir
>>> >> Vassilev
>>> wrote:
>>> >> > > > Впрочем някой ще обобщи ли какво се е
>>> случвало
>>> >> толкова в
>>> >> > > > IRC?
>>> >> > > >
>>> >> > > > Vladimir Vassilev
>>> >> > > > root @ init Lab
>>> >> > > > +359 885 448475
>>> >> > > > http://initlab.org
>>> >> <http://initlab.org/> <http://initlab.org/> > > >
>>> >> > > > 2018-07-23 16:39 GMT+03:00 Венцислав
>>> >> Атанасов > > <user89 at gmail.com
>>> > <user89 at gmail.com>> <mailto:user89 at gmail.com> <user89 at gmail.com>
>>> <mailto:user89 at gmail.com <user89 at gmail.com> <mailto:user89 at gmail.com> <user89 at gmail.com>>
>>> >> <mailto:user89 at gmail.com <user89 at gmail.com> <mailto:user89 at gmail.com> <user89 at gmail.com>
>>> <mailto:user89 at gmail.com <user89 at gmail.com> <mailto:user89 at gmail.com> <user89 at gmail.com>>>
>>> >> > > > <mailto:user89 at gmail.com <user89 at gmail.com>
>>> <mailto:user89 at gmail.com> <user89 at gmail.com> <mailto:user89 at gmail.com <user89 at gmail.com>
>>> <mailto:user89 at gmail.com> <user89 at gmail.com>>
>>> >> <mailto:user89 at gmail.com <user89 at gmail.com> <mailto:user89 at gmail.com> <user89 at gmail.com>
>>> <mailto:user89 at gmail.com <user89 at gmail.com> <mailto:user89 at gmail.com> <user89 at gmail.com>>>>>:
>>> >> > > >
>>> >> > > > Относно колко беше смислена
>>> дискусията - ако
>>> >> всички
>>> >> > > знаем че има
>>> >> > > > проблем, и си мълчим и сме ок с
>>> >> това
>>> - няма да се
>>> >> > > >поеме
>>> >> > > инициатива
>>> >> > > > не само за решаване, а дори за
>>> дискутиране. Затова
>>> >> > > >мисля
>>> >> > > че беше
>>> >> > > > нужно да се изкоментират тези
>>> >> неща,
>>> "да се сложат
>>> >> > > >картите на масата" и да започнем, не
>>> >> да
>>> свикваме с
>>> >> това че
>>> >> > > >има
>>> >> > > проблем, а да
>>> >> > > > мислим как да го решаваме.
>>> >> > > > Аз лично допринасям с какво мога,
>>> >> но
>>> ако виждам че
>>> >> > > останалите
>>> >> > > > отлагат някакви (дори дребни)
>>> >> задачи,
>>> започвам
>>> >> да се
>>> >> > > демотивирам.
>>> >> > > > Не казвам че не мога да свърша
>>> >> всички
>>> неща от тези
>>> >> > > >които
>>> >> > > ми се
>>> >> > > > иска сам, но смятам че както в
>>> >> един
>>> опън сорс
>>> >> проект
>>> >> > > >е
>>> >> > > хубаво да
>>> >> > > > има намесени няколко човека, така
>>> >> и в
>>> нашия формат
>>> >> > > >на
>>> >> > > хакерспейс е
>>> >> > > > по-добре да хванем с някого и да
>>> свършим дадена
>>> >> > > >задача,
>>> >> > > ако ще и
>>> >> > > > той само да стои да гледа и да
>>> >> дава акъл. > > > Знаете какво се случи с
>>> >> Хакафе, дори
>>> и поради
>>> >> > > по-различни причини.
>>> >> > > > Не ми се иска да се случи същото и
>>> >> с
>>> инит лаб.
>>> >> > > >
>>> >> > > >
>>> >> > > > On Mon, Jul 23, 2018 at 4:32 PM
>>> >> Mario
>>> Mishev
>>> >> > > <mario at ludost.net
>>> > <mario at ludost.net>> <mailto:mario at ludost.net> <mario at ludost.net>
>>> <mailto:mario at ludost.net <mario at ludost.net> <mailto:mario at ludost.net> <mario at ludost.net>>
>>> >> <mailto:mario at ludost.net <mario at ludost.net> <mailto:mario at ludost.net> <mario at ludost.net>
>>> <mailto:mario at ludost.net <mario at ludost.net> <mailto:mario at ludost.net> <mario at ludost.net>>>
>>> >> > > > <mailto:mario at ludost.net <mario at ludost.net>
>>> <mailto:mario at ludost.net> <mario at ludost.net>
>>> >> <mailto:mario at ludost.net <mario at ludost.net> <mailto:mario at ludost.net> <mario at ludost.net>>
>>> <mailto:mario at ludost.net <mario at ludost.net> <mailto:mario at ludost.net> <mario at ludost.net>
>>> >> <mailto:mario at ludost.net
>>> > <mario at ludost.net>> <mailto:mario at ludost.net> <mario at ludost.net>>>>> > > >wrote:
>>> >> > > >
>>> >> > > > Лично аз много бих искал
>>> >> срещата
>>> да се
>>> >> проведе с
>>> >> > > всички на едно
>>> >> > > > физическо място, но да видим как ще
>>> отговорят
>>> >> > > >другите.
>>> >> > > >
>>> >> > > >
>>> >> > > > On 07/23/2018 04:30 PM, Vasil
>>> Kolev wrote:
>>> >> > > > > ОК ли сме с remote
>>> >> присъствие?
>>> На 4/5.08 е
>>> >> > > варнаConf и не
>>> >> > > > съм сигурен
>>> >> > > > > още, но най-вероятно ще ходя.
>>> >> > > > >
>>> >> > > > > Иначе, да. Проблемът го има,
>>> >> аз
>>> съм също
>>> >> така
>>> >> > > >част
>>> >> > > от него -
>>> >> > > > около
>>> >> > > > > детето и работата не ми
>>> >> остава
>>> кога да се
>>> >> > > занимавам с лаба,
>>> >> > > > и като цяло
>>> >> > > > > почти всичките си лични
>>> >> проекти
>>> съм ги
>>> >> отебал и
>>> >> > > >не се очертава скорошна
>>> >> > > > > промяна, за съжаление.
>>> >> > > > >
>>> >> > > > > По подобни причини и
>>> дискусията, с която се
>>> >> > > >почна
>>> >> > > в #initlab
>>> >> > > > не ми се
>>> >> > > > > виждаше смислена и излязох
>>> >> от
>>> нея, за мен си
>>> >> > > >беше
>>> >> > > гигантска
>>> >> > > > загуба на
>>> >> > > > > време. Може би и моето
>>> >> виждане
>>> за лаба
>>> >> почва да
>>> >> > > >се
>>> >> > > разминава
>>> >> > > > с това на
>>> >> > > > > останалите, та нека да се
>>> >> видим
>>> и ако
>>> >> трябва,
>>> >> > > >да
>>> >> > > свикаме
>>> >> > > > едно общо
>>> >> > > > > събрание.
>>> >> > > > >
>>> >> > > > >
>>> >> > > > > On Mon, 23 Jul 2018 16:22:19
>>> >> +0300 > > > > Mario Mishev
>>> >> <mario at ludost.net
>>> <mailto:mario at ludost.net> <mario at ludost.net>
>>> >> <mailto:mario at ludost.net <mario at ludost.net> <mailto:mario at ludost.net> <mario at ludost.net>>
>>> >> > > <mailto:mario at ludost.net <mario at ludost.net>
>>> <mailto:mario at ludost.net> <mario at ludost.net> <mailto:mario at ludost.net <mario at ludost.net>
>>> <mailto:mario at ludost.net> <mario at ludost.net>>>
>>> >> <mailto:mario at ludost.net <mario at ludost.net> <mailto:mario at ludost.net> <mario at ludost.net>
>>> <mailto:mario at ludost.net <mario at ludost.net> <mailto:mario at ludost.net> <mario at ludost.net>>
>>> >> > > <mailto:mario at ludost.net <mario at ludost.net>
>>> <mailto:mario at ludost.net> <mario at ludost.net> <mailto:mario at ludost.net <mario at ludost.net>
>>> <mailto:mario at ludost.net> <mario at ludost.net>>>>>
>>> >> wrote:
>>> >> > > > >
>>> >> > > > >> След интензивна дискусия в
>>> #initlab,
>>> >> искам да
>>> >> > > повдигна
>>> >> > > > въпроса какво
>>> >> > > > >> правим с/в ГС Init Lab.
>>> >> > > > >>
>>> >> > > > >> Ясно е че в последно време
>>> никой нищо не
>>> >> > > >прави
>>> >> > > в/за лаба и
>>> >> > > > нещата са
>>> >> > > > >> на автопилот. След като
>>> >> Владо
>>> започна в
>>> >> > > >Деврикс и предупреди че ще е
>>> >> > > > >> зает с работа, още
>>> >> по-малко
>>> има шанс да се
>>> >> > > случват неща.
>>> >> > > > >>
>>> >> > > > >> Моля това писмо да не бъде
>>> четено като
>>> >> > > >критика
>>> >> > > срещу който
>>> >> > > > и да било
>>> >> > > > >> индивидуално, целата му е
>>> >> да
>>> се заформи
>>> >> > > >дискусия
>>> >> > > около
>>> >> > > > съдбата на
>>> >> > > > >> Лаба и ние като негови
>>> >> членове и най-активни
>>> >> > > contributors.
>>> >> > > > >>
>>> >> > > > >> Предложението ми е да се
>>> съберем и обсъдим
>>> >> > > сериозно какво,
>>> >> > > > как и кога
>>> >> > > > >> можем да направим по
>>> >> въпроса с цел > > >продължаване и
>>> >> > > най-важното
>>> >> > > > >> развиване на ГС init Lab.
>>> >> > > > >>
>>> >> > > > >> По мои виждания проблема е
>>> >> поне двустранен -
>>> >> > > нямаме голяма
>>> >> > > > членска
>>> >> > > > >> маса, а текущата е заета с
>>> лични неща и
>>> >> > > >съответно има дефицит на
>>> >> > > > >> време/желание за занимание
>>> >> с
>>> дори текущите
>>> >> > > >issue-та свързани с Лаба.
>>> >> > > > >> Това се отнася и до мен
>>> >> самия
>>> - аз може
>>> >> и да
>>> >> > > >съм
>>> >> > > физически
>>> >> > > > там, но не
>>> >> > > > >> се занимавам с Лабови дела,
>>> >> а
>>> лични
>>> >> > > >(най-често
>>> >> > > играене на
>>> >> > > > игри).
>>> >> > > > >>
>>> >> > > > >> Всякаква форма на критика
>>> >> се
>>> приема спрямо
>>> >> > > >това мое предложение, и за
>>> >> > > > >> да съм по-конкретен в
>>> >> искането
>>> си, моля
>>> >> > > >изберете
>>> >> > > си ден от
>>> >> > > > doodle-а,
>>> >> > > > >> в който да се съберем.
>>> >> > > > >>
>>> >> > > > >>
>>> https://doodle.com/poll/a7wrp4i6aym4m8mf
>>> <https://doodle.com/poll/a7wrp4i6aym4m8mf> <https://doodle.com/poll/a7wrp4i6aym4m8mf>
>>> >> <https://doodle.com/poll/a7wrp4i6aym4m8mf
>>> <https://doodle.com/poll/a7wrp4i6aym4m8mf> <https://doodle.com/poll/a7wrp4i6aym4m8mf>>
>>> >> > > <https://doodle.com/poll/a7wrp4i6aym4m8mf
>>> <https://doodle.com/poll/a7wrp4i6aym4m8mf> <https://doodle.com/poll/a7wrp4i6aym4m8mf>
>>> >> <https://doodle.com/poll/a7wrp4i6aym4m8mf
>>> <https://doodle.com/poll/a7wrp4i6aym4m8mf> <https://doodle.com/poll/a7wrp4i6aym4m8mf>>>
>>> >> > > >
>>> <https://doodle.com/poll/a7wrp4i6aym4m8mf
>>> <https://doodle.com/poll/a7wrp4i6aym4m8mf> <https://doodle.com/poll/a7wrp4i6aym4m8mf>
>>> >> <https://doodle.com/poll/a7wrp4i6aym4m8mf
>>> <https://doodle.com/poll/a7wrp4i6aym4m8mf> <https://doodle.com/poll/a7wrp4i6aym4m8mf>>
>>> >> > > <https://doodle.com/poll/a7wrp4i6aym4m8mf
>>> <https://doodle.com/poll/a7wrp4i6aym4m8mf> <https://doodle.com/poll/a7wrp4i6aym4m8mf>
>>> >> <https://doodle.com/poll/a7wrp4i6aym4m8mf
>>> <https://doodle.com/poll/a7wrp4i6aym4m8mf> <https://doodle.com/poll/a7wrp4i6aym4m8mf>>>>
>>> >> > > > >>
>>> >> > > > >>
>>> >> > > > >> Поздрави,
>>> >> > > > >> Марио
>>> >> > > > >>
>>> >> > > > >>
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