[Us] Сбирка и дискусия относно съдбата на ГС инит Лаб

Венцислав Атанасов user89 at gmail.com
Wed Jul 25 15:28:12 EEST 2018


19:30 в Кривото?

On Wed, Jul 25, 2018 at 3:22 PM Vladimir Vassilev <vloo at initlab.org> wrote:

> Ок, сбираме се на неформална среща тъз вечер, та да си говорим за Лаба :)
> 7:30 остава началния час, пък който дойде по-рано, ще подгрява.
>
> Vladimir Vassilev
> root @ init Lab
> +359 885 448475
> http://initlab.org
>
> 2018-07-25 10:57 GMT+03:00 Ivaylo Markov <ivo at schupen.net>:
>
>> Още един глас за ИББ.
>>
>> On 07/24/2018 04:14 PM, Vasil Kolev wrote:
>>
>> Аз съм повече за ИББ, щото там има ядене :)
>>
>>
>> On Tue, 24 Jul 2018 14:53:57 +0300
>> Mario Mishev <mario at ludost.net> <mario at ludost.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Аз съм ок и с двете, като предпочитам да е в Лаба.
>>
>> On 07/24/2018 11:15 AM, Vladimir Vassilev wrote:
>>
>> Очертава се да е утре срещата. Остава да решим дали на ИББ или в
>> Лаба е по-добре. Мене ми е все тая, тъй че нека кажат останалите
>> как се чувстват по въпроса. Дали е среща на УС или неформална
>> дискусия - също не смятам, че има съществено значение в случая.
>>
>> Vladimir Vassilev
>> root @ init Lab
>> +359 885 448475http://initlab.org <http://initlab.org/> <http://initlab.org/>
>>
>> 2018-07-23 19:04 GMT+03:00 Венцислав Атанасов <user89 at gmail.com <mailto:user89 at gmail.com> <user89 at gmail.com>>:
>>
>>     Записах се в Дудъла. Може ли Петко да уточни дали ще присъства,
>>     защото от коментарите и поведението му в IRC, разбирам че не е
>>     заинтересован.
>>
>>     On Mon, Jul 23, 2018 at 6:01 PM Mario Mishev <mario at ludost.net
>>     <mailto:mario at ludost.net> <mario at ludost.net>> wrote:
>>
>>         Добавих ги,
>>
>>         Ако някой иска още нещо да сложа/променя - казвайте
>>
>>
>>         On 07/23/2018 05:50 PM, Mario Mishev wrote:
>>         > Да добавя 24-27.07 от 19:30?
>>         >
>>         >
>>         > On 07/23/2018 05:42 PM, Vladimir Vassilev wrote:
>>         >> Ще ми е по-неудобно за вторник и сряда, ама ако не ви
>>         устройват
>>         >> четвъртък и петък, и на това бих се навил. Doodle update?
>>         >>
>>         >> Vladimir Vassilev
>>         >> root @ init Lab
>>         >> +359 885 448475
>>         >> http://initlab.org <http://initlab.org/> <http://initlab.org/>
>>         >>
>>         >> 2018-07-23 17:36 GMT+03:00 Vasil Kolev
>>         >> <vasil at ludost.net
>>         <mailto:vasil at ludost.net> <vasil at ludost.net>
>>         >> <mailto:vasil at ludost.net <vasil at ludost.net> <mailto:vasil at ludost.net> <vasil at ludost.net>>>:
>>         >>
>>         >>     Аз нямам проблем да пропусна ИББ и да го направим в
>>         сряда от 19
>>         >>     (вторник вечер имам една среща и вероятно няма да
>>         >> имам
>>         възможност).
>>         >>     Останалите ОК ли сте със сряда (25.07)?
>>         >>
>>         >>     On Mon, 23 Jul 2018 17:03:47 +0300
>>         >>     Mario Mishev <mario at ludost.net
>>         <mailto:mario at ludost.net> <mario at ludost.net> <mailto:mario at ludost.net <mario at ludost.net>
>>         <mailto:mario at ludost.net> <mario at ludost.net>>> wrote:
>>         >>
>>         >>     > Аз исках да е Съботно-Неделно за да не ни е
>>         притеснено че времето
>>         >>     > няма да ни стигне, освен това да сме свежи, защото
>>         >> си представям че
>>         >>     > след работа ще е по-трудно да се концентрираме,
>>         >> иначе
>>         нямам
>>         >> против,
>>         >>     > ако е по-удобно на всички, да го направим и през
>>         седмицата.
>>         >>     >
>>         >>     >
>>         >>     > On 07/23/2018 05:01 PM, Vladimir Vassilev wrote:
>>         >>     > > Ок, благодаря, това изяснява малко контекста.
>>         Остава питането ми
>>         >>     > > дали би ви било удобно да направим срещата за
>>         >> някой
>>         от работните
>>         >>     > > дни. Впрочем на 26 и 27 юли съм отпуска, та
>>         вероятно ще съм край
>>         >>     > > Лаба, когато не съм по нотариуси и други
>>         >> глупости,
>>         та тогава би
>>         >>     > > било най-идеалното време за мен.
>>         >>     > >
>>         >>     > > Vladimir Vassilev
>>         >>     > > root @ init Lab
>>         >>     > > +359 885 448475
>>         >>     > > http://initlab.org <http://initlab.org/> <http://initlab.org/>
>>         >>     > >
>>         >>     > > 2018-07-23 16:52 GMT+03:00 Венцислав Атанасов
>>         >>     <user89 at gmail.com <mailto:user89 at gmail.com> <user89 at gmail.com>
>>         <mailto:user89 at gmail.com <user89 at gmail.com> <mailto:user89 at gmail.com> <user89 at gmail.com>>
>>         >>     > > <mailto:user89 at gmail.com
>>         > <user89 at gmail.com>> <mailto:user89 at gmail.com> <user89 at gmail.com>
>>         <mailto:user89 at gmail.com <user89 at gmail.com> <mailto:user89 at gmail.com> <user89 at gmail.com>>>>:
>>         >>     > >
>>         >>     > >     По-скоро че всички са заети (което е
>>         >> нормално
>>         де), отделя
>>         >> се в
>>         >>     > >     пъти по-малко време отколкото предишни
>>         >> години,
>>         пишат се
>>         >>     някакви
>>         >>     > >     issues които стоят нерешени с години, а може
>>         >> да
>>         са въпрос
>>         >>     на 2-3
>>         >>     > >     часа, най-много ден.
>>         >>     > >     Също че цялото място е в будна кома, няма
>>         достатъчно
>>         >> членове,
>>         >>     > > няма коуъркъри, плащат се едни наеми и
>>         >> консумативи,
>>         вътрим се с
>>         >>     > > данък от фактури, които не ни издават. Малко
>>         >> грубо
>>         звучи
>>         >>     погледнато
>>         >>     > > по този начин, но не мисля че съм далеко от
>>         >> реалността. > >     Идеята е да мислим варианти това да
>>         >> се промени
>>         в дългосрочен
>>         >>     > > план. Ако не можем - има ли смисъл да се борим
>>         >> с
>>         неизбежното,
>>         >>     или е
>>         >>     > >     време да се откажем?
>>         >>     > >
>>         >>     > >     On Mon, Jul 23, 2018 at 4:45 PM Mario Mishev
>>         >>     <mario at ludost.net <mailto:mario at ludost.net> <mario at ludost.net>
>>         <mailto:mario at ludost.net <mario at ludost.net> <mailto:mario at ludost.net> <mario at ludost.net>>
>>         >>     > >     <mailto:mario at ludost.net <mario at ludost.net>
>>         <mailto:mario at ludost.net> <mario at ludost.net> <mailto:mario at ludost.net <mario at ludost.net>
>>         <mailto:mario at ludost.net> <mario at ludost.net>>>> wrote:
>>         >>     > >
>>         >>     > >         В общи линии се започнаха разговори, че
>>         никой нищо не
>>         >>     прави
>>         >>     > > в последно
>>         >>     > >         време и Лаба се е превърнал в едно пусто
>>         >> място. > >
>>         >>     > >
>>         >>     > >         On 07/23/2018 04:41 PM, Vladimir
>>         >> Vassilev
>>         wrote:
>>         >>     > >         > Впрочем някой ще обобщи ли какво се е
>>         случвало
>>         >> толкова в
>>         >>     > >         > IRC?
>>         >>     > >         >
>>         >>     > >         > Vladimir Vassilev
>>         >>     > >         > root @ init Lab
>>         >>     > >         > +359 885 448475
>>         >>     > >         > http://initlab.org
>>         >> <http://initlab.org/> <http://initlab.org/> > >         >
>>         >>     > >         > 2018-07-23 16:39 GMT+03:00 Венцислав
>>         >> Атанасов > >         <user89 at gmail.com
>>         > <user89 at gmail.com>> <mailto:user89 at gmail.com> <user89 at gmail.com>
>>         <mailto:user89 at gmail.com <user89 at gmail.com> <mailto:user89 at gmail.com> <user89 at gmail.com>>
>>         >>     <mailto:user89 at gmail.com <user89 at gmail.com> <mailto:user89 at gmail.com> <user89 at gmail.com>
>>         <mailto:user89 at gmail.com <user89 at gmail.com> <mailto:user89 at gmail.com> <user89 at gmail.com>>>
>>         >>     > >         > <mailto:user89 at gmail.com <user89 at gmail.com>
>>         <mailto:user89 at gmail.com> <user89 at gmail.com> <mailto:user89 at gmail.com <user89 at gmail.com>
>>         <mailto:user89 at gmail.com> <user89 at gmail.com>>
>>         >>     <mailto:user89 at gmail.com <user89 at gmail.com> <mailto:user89 at gmail.com> <user89 at gmail.com>
>>         <mailto:user89 at gmail.com <user89 at gmail.com> <mailto:user89 at gmail.com> <user89 at gmail.com>>>>>:
>>         >>     > >         >
>>         >>     > >         >     Относно колко беше смислена
>>         дискусията - ако
>>         >> всички
>>         >>     > >         знаем че има
>>         >>     > >         >     проблем, и си мълчим и сме ок с
>>         >> това
>>         - няма да се
>>         >>     > >         >поеме
>>         >>     > >         инициатива
>>         >>     > >         >     не само за решаване, а дори за
>>         дискутиране. Затова
>>         >>     > >         >мисля
>>         >>     > >         че беше
>>         >>     > >         >     нужно да се изкоментират тези
>>         >> неща,
>>         "да се сложат
>>         >>     > >         >картите на масата" и да започнем, не
>>         >> да
>>         свикваме с
>>         >>     това че
>>         >>     > >         >има
>>         >>     > >         проблем, а да
>>         >>     > >         >     мислим как да го решаваме.
>>         >>     > >         >     Аз лично допринасям с какво мога,
>>         >> но
>>         ако виждам че
>>         >>     > >         останалите
>>         >>     > >         >     отлагат някакви (дори дребни)
>>         >> задачи,
>>         започвам
>>         >>     да се
>>         >>     > >         демотивирам.
>>         >>     > >         >     Не казвам че не мога да свърша
>>         >> всички
>>         неща от тези
>>         >>     > >         >които
>>         >>     > >         ми се
>>         >>     > >         >     иска сам, но смятам че както в
>>         >> един
>>         опън сорс
>>         >> проект
>>         >>     > >         >е
>>         >>     > >         хубаво да
>>         >>     > >         >     има намесени няколко човека, така
>>         >> и в
>>         нашия формат
>>         >>     > >         >на
>>         >>     > >         хакерспейс е
>>         >>     > >         >     по-добре да хванем с някого и да
>>         свършим дадена
>>         >>     > >         >задача,
>>         >>     > >         ако ще и
>>         >>     > >         >     той само да стои да гледа и да
>>         >> дава акъл. > >         >     Знаете какво се случи с
>>         >> Хакафе, дори
>>         и поради
>>         >>     > >         по-различни причини.
>>         >>     > >         >     Не ми се иска да се случи същото и
>>         >> с
>>         инит лаб.
>>         >>     > >         >
>>         >>     > >         >
>>         >>     > >         >     On Mon, Jul 23, 2018 at 4:32 PM
>>         >> Mario
>>         Mishev
>>         >>     > >         <mario at ludost.net
>>         > <mario at ludost.net>> <mailto:mario at ludost.net> <mario at ludost.net>
>>         <mailto:mario at ludost.net <mario at ludost.net> <mailto:mario at ludost.net> <mario at ludost.net>>
>>         >>     <mailto:mario at ludost.net <mario at ludost.net> <mailto:mario at ludost.net> <mario at ludost.net>
>>         <mailto:mario at ludost.net <mario at ludost.net> <mailto:mario at ludost.net> <mario at ludost.net>>>
>>         >>     > >         >     <mailto:mario at ludost.net <mario at ludost.net>
>>         <mailto:mario at ludost.net> <mario at ludost.net>
>>         >>     <mailto:mario at ludost.net <mario at ludost.net> <mailto:mario at ludost.net> <mario at ludost.net>>
>>         <mailto:mario at ludost.net <mario at ludost.net> <mailto:mario at ludost.net> <mario at ludost.net>
>>         >>     <mailto:mario at ludost.net
>>         > <mario at ludost.net>> <mailto:mario at ludost.net> <mario at ludost.net>>>>> > >         >wrote:
>>         >>     > >         >
>>         >>     > >         >         Лично аз много бих искал
>>         >> срещата
>>         да се
>>         >>     проведе с
>>         >>     > >         всички на едно
>>         >>     > >         >  физическо място, но да видим как ще
>>         отговорят
>>         >>     > >         >другите.
>>         >>     > >         >
>>         >>     > >         >
>>         >>     > >         >         On 07/23/2018 04:30 PM, Vasil
>>         Kolev wrote:
>>         >>     > >         >         > ОК ли сме с remote
>>         >> присъствие?
>>         На 4/5.08 е
>>         >>     > >         варнаConf и не
>>         >>     > >         >         съм сигурен
>>         >>     > >         >         > още, но най-вероятно ще ходя.
>>         >>     > >         >         >
>>         >>     > >         >         > Иначе, да. Проблемът го има,
>>         >> аз
>>         съм също
>>         >> така
>>         >>     > >         >част
>>         >>     > >         от него -
>>         >>     > >         >         около
>>         >>     > >         >         > детето и работата не ми
>>         >> остава
>>         кога да се
>>         >>     > >         занимавам с лаба,
>>         >>     > >         >         и като цяло
>>         >>     > >         >         > почти всичките си лични
>>         >> проекти
>>         съм ги
>>         >>     отебал и
>>         >>     > >         >не се очертава скорошна
>>         >>     > >         >         > промяна, за съжаление.
>>         >>     > >         >         >
>>         >>     > >         >         > По подобни причини и
>>         дискусията, с която се
>>         >>     > >         >почна
>>         >>     > >         в #initlab
>>         >>     > >         >         не ми се
>>         >>     > >         >         > виждаше смислена и излязох
>>         >> от
>>         нея, за мен си
>>         >>     > >         >беше
>>         >>     > >         гигантска
>>         >>     > >         >         загуба на
>>         >>     > >         >         > време. Може би и моето
>>         >> виждане
>>         за лаба
>>         >>     почва да
>>         >>     > >         >се
>>         >>     > >         разминава
>>         >>     > >         >         с това на
>>         >>     > >         >         > останалите, та нека да се
>>         >> видим
>>         и ако
>>         >> трябва,
>>         >>     > >         >да
>>         >>     > >         свикаме
>>         >>     > >         >         едно общо
>>         >>     > >         >         > събрание.
>>         >>     > >         >         >
>>         >>     > >         >         >
>>         >>     > >         >         > On Mon, 23 Jul 2018 16:22:19
>>         >> +0300 > >         >         > Mario Mishev
>>         >> <mario at ludost.net
>>         <mailto:mario at ludost.net> <mario at ludost.net>
>>         >>     <mailto:mario at ludost.net <mario at ludost.net> <mailto:mario at ludost.net> <mario at ludost.net>>
>>         >>     > >         <mailto:mario at ludost.net <mario at ludost.net>
>>         <mailto:mario at ludost.net> <mario at ludost.net> <mailto:mario at ludost.net <mario at ludost.net>
>>         <mailto:mario at ludost.net> <mario at ludost.net>>>
>>         >>     <mailto:mario at ludost.net <mario at ludost.net> <mailto:mario at ludost.net> <mario at ludost.net>
>>         <mailto:mario at ludost.net <mario at ludost.net> <mailto:mario at ludost.net> <mario at ludost.net>>
>>         >>     > >         <mailto:mario at ludost.net <mario at ludost.net>
>>         <mailto:mario at ludost.net> <mario at ludost.net> <mailto:mario at ludost.net <mario at ludost.net>
>>         <mailto:mario at ludost.net> <mario at ludost.net>>>>>
>>         >>     wrote:
>>         >>     > >         >         >
>>         >>     > >         >         >> След интензивна дискусия в
>>         #initlab,
>>         >>     искам да
>>         >>     > >         повдигна
>>         >>     > >         >         въпроса какво
>>         >>     > >         >         >> правим с/в ГС Init Lab.
>>         >>     > >         >         >>
>>         >>     > >         >         >> Ясно е че в последно време
>>         никой нищо не
>>         >>     > >         >прави
>>         >>     > >         в/за лаба и
>>         >>     > >         >         нещата са
>>         >>     > >         >         >> на автопилот. След като
>>         >> Владо
>>         започна в
>>         >>     > >         >Деврикс и предупреди че ще е
>>         >>     > >         >         >> зает с работа, още
>>         >> по-малко
>>         има шанс да се
>>         >>     > >         случват неща.
>>         >>     > >         >         >>
>>         >>     > >         >         >> Моля това писмо да не бъде
>>         четено като
>>         >>     > >         >критика
>>         >>     > >         срещу който
>>         >>     > >         >         и да било
>>         >>     > >         >         >> индивидуално, целата му е
>>         >> да
>>         се заформи
>>         >>     > >         >дискусия
>>         >>     > >         около
>>         >>     > >         >         съдбата на
>>         >>     > >         >         >> Лаба и ние като негови
>>         >> членове и най-активни
>>         >>     > >         contributors.
>>         >>     > >         >         >>
>>         >>     > >         >         >> Предложението ми е да се
>>         съберем и обсъдим
>>         >>     > >         сериозно какво,
>>         >>     > >         >         как и кога
>>         >>     > >         >         >> можем да направим по
>>         >> въпроса с цел > >         >продължаване и
>>         >>     > >         най-важното
>>         >>     > >         >         >> развиване на ГС init Lab.
>>         >>     > >         >         >>
>>         >>     > >         >         >> По мои виждания проблема е
>>         >> поне двустранен -
>>         >>     > >         нямаме голяма
>>         >>     > >         >         членска
>>         >>     > >         >         >> маса, а текущата е заета с
>>         лични неща и
>>         >>     > >         >съответно има дефицит на
>>         >>     > >         >         >> време/желание за занимание
>>         >> с
>>         дори текущите
>>         >>     > >         >issue-та свързани с Лаба.
>>         >>     > >         >         >> Това се отнася и до мен
>>         >> самия
>>         - аз може
>>         >> и да
>>         >>     > >         >съм
>>         >>     > >         физически
>>         >>     > >         >         там, но не
>>         >>     > >         >         >> се занимавам с Лабови дела,
>>         >> а
>>         лични
>>         >>     > >         >(най-често
>>         >>     > >         играене на
>>         >>     > >         >         игри).
>>         >>     > >         >         >>
>>         >>     > >         >         >> Всякаква форма на критика
>>         >> се
>>         приема спрямо
>>         >>     > >         >това мое предложение, и за
>>         >>     > >         >         >> да съм по-конкретен в
>>         >> искането
>>         си, моля
>>         >>     > >         >изберете
>>         >>     > >         си ден от
>>         >>     > >         >  doodle-а,
>>         >>     > >         >         >> в който да се съберем.
>>         >>     > >         >         >>
>>         >>     > >         >         >>
>>         https://doodle.com/poll/a7wrp4i6aym4m8mf
>>         <https://doodle.com/poll/a7wrp4i6aym4m8mf> <https://doodle.com/poll/a7wrp4i6aym4m8mf>
>>         >>     <https://doodle.com/poll/a7wrp4i6aym4m8mf
>>         <https://doodle.com/poll/a7wrp4i6aym4m8mf> <https://doodle.com/poll/a7wrp4i6aym4m8mf>>
>>         >>     > >  <https://doodle.com/poll/a7wrp4i6aym4m8mf
>>         <https://doodle.com/poll/a7wrp4i6aym4m8mf> <https://doodle.com/poll/a7wrp4i6aym4m8mf>
>>         >>     <https://doodle.com/poll/a7wrp4i6aym4m8mf
>>         <https://doodle.com/poll/a7wrp4i6aym4m8mf> <https://doodle.com/poll/a7wrp4i6aym4m8mf>>>
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