[Us] Сбирка и дискусия относно съдбата на ГС инит Лаб
Венцислав Атанасов
user89 at gmail.com
Wed Jul 25 15:28:12 EEST 2018
19:30 в Кривото?
On Wed, Jul 25, 2018 at 3:22 PM Vladimir Vassilev <vloo at initlab.org> wrote:
> Ок, сбираме се на неформална среща тъз вечер, та да си говорим за Лаба :)
> 7:30 остава началния час, пък който дойде по-рано, ще подгрява.
>
> Vladimir Vassilev
> root @ init Lab
> +359 885 448475
> http://initlab.org
>
> 2018-07-25 10:57 GMT+03:00 Ivaylo Markov <ivo at schupen.net>:
>
>> Още един глас за ИББ.
>>
>> On 07/24/2018 04:14 PM, Vasil Kolev wrote:
>>
>> Аз съм повече за ИББ, щото там има ядене :)
>>
>>
>> On Tue, 24 Jul 2018 14:53:57 +0300
>> Mario Mishev <mario at ludost.net> <mario at ludost.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Аз съм ок и с двете, като предпочитам да е в Лаба.
>>
>> On 07/24/2018 11:15 AM, Vladimir Vassilev wrote:
>>
>> Очертава се да е утре срещата. Остава да решим дали на ИББ или в
>> Лаба е по-добре. Мене ми е все тая, тъй че нека кажат останалите
>> как се чувстват по въпроса. Дали е среща на УС или неформална
>> дискусия - също не смятам, че има съществено значение в случая.
>>
>> Vladimir Vassilev
>> root @ init Lab
>> +359 885 448475http://initlab.org <http://initlab.org/> <http://initlab.org/>
>>
>> 2018-07-23 19:04 GMT+03:00 Венцислав Атанасов <user89 at gmail.com <mailto:user89 at gmail.com> <user89 at gmail.com>>:
>>
>> Записах се в Дудъла. Може ли Петко да уточни дали ще присъства,
>> защото от коментарите и поведението му в IRC, разбирам че не е
>> заинтересован.
>>
>> On Mon, Jul 23, 2018 at 6:01 PM Mario Mishev <mario at ludost.net
>> <mailto:mario at ludost.net> <mario at ludost.net>> wrote:
>>
>> Добавих ги,
>>
>> Ако някой иска още нещо да сложа/променя - казвайте
>>
>>
>> On 07/23/2018 05:50 PM, Mario Mishev wrote:
>> > Да добавя 24-27.07 от 19:30?
>> >
>> >
>> > On 07/23/2018 05:42 PM, Vladimir Vassilev wrote:
>> >> Ще ми е по-неудобно за вторник и сряда, ама ако не ви
>> устройват
>> >> четвъртък и петък, и на това бих се навил. Doodle update?
>> >>
>> >> Vladimir Vassilev
>> >> root @ init Lab
>> >> +359 885 448475
>> >> http://initlab.org <http://initlab.org/> <http://initlab.org/>
>> >>
>> >> 2018-07-23 17:36 GMT+03:00 Vasil Kolev
>> >> <vasil at ludost.net
>> <mailto:vasil at ludost.net> <vasil at ludost.net>
>> >> <mailto:vasil at ludost.net <vasil at ludost.net> <mailto:vasil at ludost.net> <vasil at ludost.net>>>:
>> >>
>> >> Аз нямам проблем да пропусна ИББ и да го направим в
>> сряда от 19
>> >> (вторник вечер имам една среща и вероятно няма да
>> >> имам
>> възможност).
>> >> Останалите ОК ли сте със сряда (25.07)?
>> >>
>> >> On Mon, 23 Jul 2018 17:03:47 +0300
>> >> Mario Mishev <mario at ludost.net
>> <mailto:mario at ludost.net> <mario at ludost.net> <mailto:mario at ludost.net <mario at ludost.net>
>> <mailto:mario at ludost.net> <mario at ludost.net>>> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > Аз исках да е Съботно-Неделно за да не ни е
>> притеснено че времето
>> >> > няма да ни стигне, освен това да сме свежи, защото
>> >> си представям че
>> >> > след работа ще е по-трудно да се концентрираме,
>> >> иначе
>> нямам
>> >> против,
>> >> > ако е по-удобно на всички, да го направим и през
>> седмицата.
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > On 07/23/2018 05:01 PM, Vladimir Vassilev wrote:
>> >> > > Ок, благодаря, това изяснява малко контекста.
>> Остава питането ми
>> >> > > дали би ви било удобно да направим срещата за
>> >> някой
>> от работните
>> >> > > дни. Впрочем на 26 и 27 юли съм отпуска, та
>> вероятно ще съм край
>> >> > > Лаба, когато не съм по нотариуси и други
>> >> глупости,
>> та тогава би
>> >> > > било най-идеалното време за мен.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Vladimir Vassilev
>> >> > > root @ init Lab
>> >> > > +359 885 448475
>> >> > > http://initlab.org <http://initlab.org/> <http://initlab.org/>
>> >> > >
>> >> > > 2018-07-23 16:52 GMT+03:00 Венцислав Атанасов
>> >> <user89 at gmail.com <mailto:user89 at gmail.com> <user89 at gmail.com>
>> <mailto:user89 at gmail.com <user89 at gmail.com> <mailto:user89 at gmail.com> <user89 at gmail.com>>
>> >> > > <mailto:user89 at gmail.com
>> > <user89 at gmail.com>> <mailto:user89 at gmail.com> <user89 at gmail.com>
>> <mailto:user89 at gmail.com <user89 at gmail.com> <mailto:user89 at gmail.com> <user89 at gmail.com>>>>:
>> >> > >
>> >> > > По-скоро че всички са заети (което е
>> >> нормално
>> де), отделя
>> >> се в
>> >> > > пъти по-малко време отколкото предишни
>> >> години,
>> пишат се
>> >> някакви
>> >> > > issues които стоят нерешени с години, а може
>> >> да
>> са въпрос
>> >> на 2-3
>> >> > > часа, най-много ден.
>> >> > > Също че цялото място е в будна кома, няма
>> достатъчно
>> >> членове,
>> >> > > няма коуъркъри, плащат се едни наеми и
>> >> консумативи,
>> вътрим се с
>> >> > > данък от фактури, които не ни издават. Малко
>> >> грубо
>> звучи
>> >> погледнато
>> >> > > по този начин, но не мисля че съм далеко от
>> >> реалността. > > Идеята е да мислим варианти това да
>> >> се промени
>> в дългосрочен
>> >> > > план. Ако не можем - има ли смисъл да се борим
>> >> с
>> неизбежното,
>> >> или е
>> >> > > време да се откажем?
>> >> > >
>> >> > > On Mon, Jul 23, 2018 at 4:45 PM Mario Mishev
>> >> <mario at ludost.net <mailto:mario at ludost.net> <mario at ludost.net>
>> <mailto:mario at ludost.net <mario at ludost.net> <mailto:mario at ludost.net> <mario at ludost.net>>
>> >> > > <mailto:mario at ludost.net <mario at ludost.net>
>> <mailto:mario at ludost.net> <mario at ludost.net> <mailto:mario at ludost.net <mario at ludost.net>
>> <mailto:mario at ludost.net> <mario at ludost.net>>>> wrote:
>> >> > >
>> >> > > В общи линии се започнаха разговори, че
>> никой нищо не
>> >> прави
>> >> > > в последно
>> >> > > време и Лаба се е превърнал в едно пусто
>> >> място. > >
>> >> > >
>> >> > > On 07/23/2018 04:41 PM, Vladimir
>> >> Vassilev
>> wrote:
>> >> > > > Впрочем някой ще обобщи ли какво се е
>> случвало
>> >> толкова в
>> >> > > > IRC?
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > Vladimir Vassilev
>> >> > > > root @ init Lab
>> >> > > > +359 885 448475
>> >> > > > http://initlab.org
>> >> <http://initlab.org/> <http://initlab.org/> > > >
>> >> > > > 2018-07-23 16:39 GMT+03:00 Венцислав
>> >> Атанасов > > <user89 at gmail.com
>> > <user89 at gmail.com>> <mailto:user89 at gmail.com> <user89 at gmail.com>
>> <mailto:user89 at gmail.com <user89 at gmail.com> <mailto:user89 at gmail.com> <user89 at gmail.com>>
>> >> <mailto:user89 at gmail.com <user89 at gmail.com> <mailto:user89 at gmail.com> <user89 at gmail.com>
>> <mailto:user89 at gmail.com <user89 at gmail.com> <mailto:user89 at gmail.com> <user89 at gmail.com>>>
>> >> > > > <mailto:user89 at gmail.com <user89 at gmail.com>
>> <mailto:user89 at gmail.com> <user89 at gmail.com> <mailto:user89 at gmail.com <user89 at gmail.com>
>> <mailto:user89 at gmail.com> <user89 at gmail.com>>
>> >> <mailto:user89 at gmail.com <user89 at gmail.com> <mailto:user89 at gmail.com> <user89 at gmail.com>
>> <mailto:user89 at gmail.com <user89 at gmail.com> <mailto:user89 at gmail.com> <user89 at gmail.com>>>>>:
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > Относно колко беше смислена
>> дискусията - ако
>> >> всички
>> >> > > знаем че има
>> >> > > > проблем, и си мълчим и сме ок с
>> >> това
>> - няма да се
>> >> > > >поеме
>> >> > > инициатива
>> >> > > > не само за решаване, а дори за
>> дискутиране. Затова
>> >> > > >мисля
>> >> > > че беше
>> >> > > > нужно да се изкоментират тези
>> >> неща,
>> "да се сложат
>> >> > > >картите на масата" и да започнем, не
>> >> да
>> свикваме с
>> >> това че
>> >> > > >има
>> >> > > проблем, а да
>> >> > > > мислим как да го решаваме.
>> >> > > > Аз лично допринасям с какво мога,
>> >> но
>> ако виждам че
>> >> > > останалите
>> >> > > > отлагат някакви (дори дребни)
>> >> задачи,
>> започвам
>> >> да се
>> >> > > демотивирам.
>> >> > > > Не казвам че не мога да свърша
>> >> всички
>> неща от тези
>> >> > > >които
>> >> > > ми се
>> >> > > > иска сам, но смятам че както в
>> >> един
>> опън сорс
>> >> проект
>> >> > > >е
>> >> > > хубаво да
>> >> > > > има намесени няколко човека, така
>> >> и в
>> нашия формат
>> >> > > >на
>> >> > > хакерспейс е
>> >> > > > по-добре да хванем с някого и да
>> свършим дадена
>> >> > > >задача,
>> >> > > ако ще и
>> >> > > > той само да стои да гледа и да
>> >> дава акъл. > > > Знаете какво се случи с
>> >> Хакафе, дори
>> и поради
>> >> > > по-различни причини.
>> >> > > > Не ми се иска да се случи същото и
>> >> с
>> инит лаб.
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > On Mon, Jul 23, 2018 at 4:32 PM
>> >> Mario
>> Mishev
>> >> > > <mario at ludost.net
>> > <mario at ludost.net>> <mailto:mario at ludost.net> <mario at ludost.net>
>> <mailto:mario at ludost.net <mario at ludost.net> <mailto:mario at ludost.net> <mario at ludost.net>>
>> >> <mailto:mario at ludost.net <mario at ludost.net> <mailto:mario at ludost.net> <mario at ludost.net>
>> <mailto:mario at ludost.net <mario at ludost.net> <mailto:mario at ludost.net> <mario at ludost.net>>>
>> >> > > > <mailto:mario at ludost.net <mario at ludost.net>
>> <mailto:mario at ludost.net> <mario at ludost.net>
>> >> <mailto:mario at ludost.net <mario at ludost.net> <mailto:mario at ludost.net> <mario at ludost.net>>
>> <mailto:mario at ludost.net <mario at ludost.net> <mailto:mario at ludost.net> <mario at ludost.net>
>> >> <mailto:mario at ludost.net
>> > <mario at ludost.net>> <mailto:mario at ludost.net> <mario at ludost.net>>>>> > > >wrote:
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > Лично аз много бих искал
>> >> срещата
>> да се
>> >> проведе с
>> >> > > всички на едно
>> >> > > > физическо място, но да видим как ще
>> отговорят
>> >> > > >другите.
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > On 07/23/2018 04:30 PM, Vasil
>> Kolev wrote:
>> >> > > > > ОК ли сме с remote
>> >> присъствие?
>> На 4/5.08 е
>> >> > > варнаConf и не
>> >> > > > съм сигурен
>> >> > > > > още, но най-вероятно ще ходя.
>> >> > > > >
>> >> > > > > Иначе, да. Проблемът го има,
>> >> аз
>> съм също
>> >> така
>> >> > > >част
>> >> > > от него -
>> >> > > > около
>> >> > > > > детето и работата не ми
>> >> остава
>> кога да се
>> >> > > занимавам с лаба,
>> >> > > > и като цяло
>> >> > > > > почти всичките си лични
>> >> проекти
>> съм ги
>> >> отебал и
>> >> > > >не се очертава скорошна
>> >> > > > > промяна, за съжаление.
>> >> > > > >
>> >> > > > > По подобни причини и
>> дискусията, с която се
>> >> > > >почна
>> >> > > в #initlab
>> >> > > > не ми се
>> >> > > > > виждаше смислена и излязох
>> >> от
>> нея, за мен си
>> >> > > >беше
>> >> > > гигантска
>> >> > > > загуба на
>> >> > > > > време. Може би и моето
>> >> виждане
>> за лаба
>> >> почва да
>> >> > > >се
>> >> > > разминава
>> >> > > > с това на
>> >> > > > > останалите, та нека да се
>> >> видим
>> и ако
>> >> трябва,
>> >> > > >да
>> >> > > свикаме
>> >> > > > едно общо
>> >> > > > > събрание.
>> >> > > > >
>> >> > > > >
>> >> > > > > On Mon, 23 Jul 2018 16:22:19
>> >> +0300 > > > > Mario Mishev
>> >> <mario at ludost.net
>> <mailto:mario at ludost.net> <mario at ludost.net>
>> >> <mailto:mario at ludost.net <mario at ludost.net> <mailto:mario at ludost.net> <mario at ludost.net>>
>> >> > > <mailto:mario at ludost.net <mario at ludost.net>
>> <mailto:mario at ludost.net> <mario at ludost.net> <mailto:mario at ludost.net <mario at ludost.net>
>> <mailto:mario at ludost.net> <mario at ludost.net>>>
>> >> <mailto:mario at ludost.net <mario at ludost.net> <mailto:mario at ludost.net> <mario at ludost.net>
>> <mailto:mario at ludost.net <mario at ludost.net> <mailto:mario at ludost.net> <mario at ludost.net>>
>> >> > > <mailto:mario at ludost.net <mario at ludost.net>
>> <mailto:mario at ludost.net> <mario at ludost.net> <mailto:mario at ludost.net <mario at ludost.net>
>> <mailto:mario at ludost.net> <mario at ludost.net>>>>>
>> >> wrote:
>> >> > > > >
>> >> > > > >> След интензивна дискусия в
>> #initlab,
>> >> искам да
>> >> > > повдигна
>> >> > > > въпроса какво
>> >> > > > >> правим с/в ГС Init Lab.
>> >> > > > >>
>> >> > > > >> Ясно е че в последно време
>> никой нищо не
>> >> > > >прави
>> >> > > в/за лаба и
>> >> > > > нещата са
>> >> > > > >> на автопилот. След като
>> >> Владо
>> започна в
>> >> > > >Деврикс и предупреди че ще е
>> >> > > > >> зает с работа, още
>> >> по-малко
>> има шанс да се
>> >> > > случват неща.
>> >> > > > >>
>> >> > > > >> Моля това писмо да не бъде
>> четено като
>> >> > > >критика
>> >> > > срещу който
>> >> > > > и да било
>> >> > > > >> индивидуално, целата му е
>> >> да
>> се заформи
>> >> > > >дискусия
>> >> > > около
>> >> > > > съдбата на
>> >> > > > >> Лаба и ние като негови
>> >> членове и най-активни
>> >> > > contributors.
>> >> > > > >>
>> >> > > > >> Предложението ми е да се
>> съберем и обсъдим
>> >> > > сериозно какво,
>> >> > > > как и кога
>> >> > > > >> можем да направим по
>> >> въпроса с цел > > >продължаване и
>> >> > > най-важното
>> >> > > > >> развиване на ГС init Lab.
>> >> > > > >>
>> >> > > > >> По мои виждания проблема е
>> >> поне двустранен -
>> >> > > нямаме голяма
>> >> > > > членска
>> >> > > > >> маса, а текущата е заета с
>> лични неща и
>> >> > > >съответно има дефицит на
>> >> > > > >> време/желание за занимание
>> >> с
>> дори текущите
>> >> > > >issue-та свързани с Лаба.
>> >> > > > >> Това се отнася и до мен
>> >> самия
>> - аз може
>> >> и да
>> >> > > >съм
>> >> > > физически
>> >> > > > там, но не
>> >> > > > >> се занимавам с Лабови дела,
>> >> а
>> лични
>> >> > > >(най-често
>> >> > > играене на
>> >> > > > игри).
>> >> > > > >>
>> >> > > > >> Всякаква форма на критика
>> >> се
>> приема спрямо
>> >> > > >това мое предложение, и за
>> >> > > > >> да съм по-конкретен в
>> >> искането
>> си, моля
>> >> > > >изберете
>> >> > > си ден от
>> >> > > > doodle-а,
>> >> > > > >> в който да се съберем.
>> >> > > > >>
>> >> > > > >>
>> https://doodle.com/poll/a7wrp4i6aym4m8mf
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>> >> > > >
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>> >> > > > >>
>> >> > > > >>
>> >> > > > >> Поздрави,
>> >> > > > >> Марио
>> >> > > > >>
>> >> > > > >>
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